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Age · Jan 23, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

There are poisonouse sword,axes and hammers in the game even inscribed.

Marverick · Jan 23, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Age

There are poisonouse sword,axes and hammers in the game even inscribed.

So?

Spending 15 energy every 24 seconds for a pitiful -4 degen is lame. Leave Apply Poison to a Ranger or put Death Nova on a necro; they are both better for spreading poison.

_Nihilist_ · Jan 23, 2009, 11:21 PM // 23:21

^
QFT

Remember, on a Ranger, Expertise reduces the energy cost of skills, which affects Apply Poison. Warriors can't do that. If you want Degen that badly, you should already be running Sever/Gash as a Sword Warrior. Quit being gimmicky.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 24, 2009, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Degen sucks in PvE. If you're good, you'll be dropping something every few seconds, so degen won't have time to get anything done. So, unless you're planning on being inefficient, stop wasting your time. Also, even if you did use a poisonous hilt (bye-bye vamp), you'd have to be really really bad for the extra 33% duration to come into effect (and you'd keep hitting that target anyway).

@Tyrael - Sever isn't for the degen. It's for Gash.

_Nihilist_ · Jan 24, 2009, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Just making the obvious point that the Degen is there with the Sever/Gash combo, even though any decent Warrior should know the value of DW vs. the annoyance of having to apply Bleeding first when using a Sword bar.

pingu666 · Jan 27, 2009, 05:51 AM // 05:51

u could use poisen signet instead of apply poisen, i tend todo that on my ranger

anyways id sugest...
use hero's

have pyre bring some interupt build and a pet
anton could do some critical barrage thing
olias/livia as a MM

anton or pryre could bring revive animal, as they should have spare slots...

thats what im currently using my zenmai for.

you may aswell get pets for your all your hero's, but on a caster hero they tend tobe abit inconsistant, and mostly useless.

i dunno what skills are availble, but you could perhaps try a split necro build with

SS, barbs, minions, and blood ritual for the henchie monks

i did play about over a year ago with alota pets, and there are some good synergies there, potentialy. its just a matter of if hero's use the skills properly :x

Arkantos · Jan 27, 2009, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Even if he replaced a utility skill for charm, he'd need comfort animal. The pet will die, and without a res, your charm would be useless.

Pets aren't really good damage, especially in PvE where enemies have a lot of armor. But if you really need to bring a pet:

12 + 1 + 1 sword
9 + 1 strength
9 beast mastery

[frenzy][rush][hundred blades][sever artery][gash][comfort animal][charm animal][resurrection signet]

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The only Ranger skills a Warrior should use are apply poison and antidote signet.

Apply poison is bad on a warrior. Wasting your secondary profession to spec into an attribute to use a 15e skill every 24 seconds for degen is bad. You could not waste your secondary profession, not waste your attribute points, and bring an attack skill which will deal more damage.

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There are poisonouse sword,axes and hammers in the game even inscribed.

Yes, your point? It doesn't mean bringing apply poison on a warrior is effective.

Age · Jan 27, 2009, 08:00 AM // 08:00

You do know what staffs and off hands do don't you.They aren't just for castors gives you more mana.I personaly don't like to see pets in a mission as Monk.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 27, 2009, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Age

You do know what staffs and off hands do don't you.They aren't just for castors gives you more mana.I personaly don't like to see pets in a mission as Monk.

What?

The second 'sentence' implies that you think we should use STAVES on our Wars instead of bashing stuff up. I don't think I need to explain why thats bad.

The third 'sentence' just negates that statement...

pingu666 · Jan 27, 2009, 11:17 AM // 11:17

i remmbered this little ditty last night

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scroll_of_Resurrection

so he could drop res sig

my zenmai has
[way of the master][critical eye][barrage][distracting shot][keen arrow][revive animal][charm animal][resurrection signet]

Arkantos · Jan 27, 2009, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Age

You do know what staffs and off hands do don't you.They aren't just for castors gives you more mana.I personaly don't like to see pets in a mission as Monk.

Yes, you could take a staff for more energy so you can use a bad skill.

....or you could not waste your secondary profession/attribute points and run an attack skill (which would be much more effective) like I said.

Age · Jan 28, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28

You would swap to gain more energy then swap back to your axe and yes axe in this case.I am surprised that none of you ever heard of the apply poison cyclone axe.It doesn't take that much in WS in the long run using radiants you won't have to swap.This was popular back in 07.I do have Warrior who started out as a W/R but I never used any Ranger skills on it.

The only one when I got it was antidote signet

MasterSasori · Jan 28, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Age

You would swap to gain more energy then swap back to your axe and yes axe in this case.I am surprised that none of you ever heard of the apply poison cyclone axe.It doesn't take that much in WS in the long run using radiants you won't have to swap.This was popular back in 07.I do have Warrior who started out as a W/R but I never used any Ranger skills on it.

The only one when I got it was antidote signet

Why would you use Apply poison on a warrior? No wait, why are you using Radiant on a warrior?

Original Antidote sig was trash. Now its alright on a warrior.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 28, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Age

You would swap to gain more energy then swap back to your axe and yes axe in this case.

But swapping back means you still have no energy (with Cyclone Axe, anyway). What happens then?

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I am surprised that none of you ever heard of the apply poison cyclone axe.

We have, we just don't use it because degen sucks in PvE. 8 DPS, if you didn't know, means nothing. If that degen lasts long enough that it does any significant damage, then you/your team fails at killing things.

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It doesn't take that much in WS in the long run using radiants you won't have to swap.This was popular back in 07.I do have Warrior who started out as a W/R but I never used any Ranger skills on it.

Meh. Radiant means no Survivor.

PS: Do you realise 07 was 2 years ago? What does it matter if it was popular then if we have much better builds then this AP/Cyclone crap.

Age · Jan 29, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

But swapping back means you still have no energy (with Cyclone Axe, anyway). What happens then?

I was using that as an example I never did it.

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We have, we just don't use it because degen sucks in PvE. 8 DPS, if you didn't know, means nothing. If that degen lasts long enough that it does any significant damage, then you/your team fails at killing things.

Ok most just used it for fun atleast I did with henchies it didn't last long with me.

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Meh. Radiant means no Survivor.

I still use radiants on my Gladiator armour

Hugh Manatee · Jan 29, 2009, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Age

I was using that as an example I never did it.

Then why bring it up in the first place? While a high energy swap is nice for emergencies, it still doesn't make the fail build not fail.

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Ok most just used it for fun atleast I did with henchies it didn't last long with me.

Failing GW is FUN! ... and as said an extra 8 dps doesn't do much unless you can put that on everybody. If you had fevered dreams or epidemic or even fragility(which you don't with the henchmen) it might not suck to hit everyone with sever gash and poison but even then there are more effective builds to spread damage like that.

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I still use radiants on my Gladiator armour

so you still fail is what you're getting at? HP>Armor(if you're farming or know exactly what you're fighting)>Energy(only if you need to blast a lot of expensive stuff like in those raptor cave gimmicks)

Age · Jan 29, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Then why bring it up in the first place? While a high energy swap is nice for emergencies, it still doesn't make the fail build not fail.

Failing GW is FUN! ... and as said an extra 8 dps doesn't do much unless you can put that on everybody. If you had fevered dreams or epidemic or even fragility(which you don't with the henchmen) it might not suck to hit everyone with sever gash and poison but even then there are more effective builds to spread damage like that.

so you still fail is what you're getting at? HP>Armor(if you're farming or know exactly what you're fighting)>Energy(only if you need to blast a lot of expensive stuff like in those raptor cave gimmicks)

I have been playing warrior since beta way before you even started and look at my Joined date on this board.I have been here longer than you even longer most Moderators.I still have my beta client of the game and my guild is one of the oldest in GW going back to 2/19/05.

Hugh Manatee · Jan 29, 2009, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Age

I have been playing warrior since beta way before you even started and look at my Joined date on this board.I have been here longer than you even longer most Moderators.I still have my beta client of the game and my guild is one of the oldest in GW going back to 2/19/05.

So... failing since '05 is what you're getting at? How does seniority make apply poison not suck on a warrior? Degen only kind of works on a pve war until you start meeting the reqs on max damage gear and stuff hits about level 15+, then stuff like that is best left behind.

Edit: btw I've been playing since like may or june of 05. forum join dates mean nothing.